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Is WebGUI "dead"?

User Skeeve
Date 1/14/2014 2:59 am
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Skeeve

All the video links I clicked so far do not lead to videos but to the message that the video was removed.

Additionally I just found that the imnstallation help http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/wre-installation leads to a 404

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dannymk
It's not dead, the company seems to have dropped the ball and is focusing on other projects but you can still get support.


On Tuesday, January 14, 2014 4:45 AM, "webgui.mails.skeeve@xoxy.net" <webgui.mails.skeeve@xoxy.net> wrote:
Skeeve wrote:

All the video links I clicked so far do not lead to videos but to the message that the video was removed.
Additionally I just found that the imnstallation help http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/wre-installation leads to a 404
--- (Edited on 1/14/2014 2:59 am [GMT-0600] by ) ---
--- (Edited on 1/14/2014 3:44 am [GMT-0600] by Skeeve) ---


http://www.webgui.org/etcetera/is-webgui-dead-

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--- (Edited on 1/14/2014 8:40 am [GMT-0600] by Visitor) ---



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ehab

I hope it is not dead. But it seems to at least be in hibernation.

Ehab Heikal

Web Development and design in Egypt, Arabic Portal with news chat and Videos using WebGUI

www.elmotaheda.com

Quote: An eye for an Eye only helps make the whole world blind

Gandhi

--- (Edited on 1/28/2014 11:19 am [GMT-0600] by ehab) ---



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JT

WebGUI is not dead, but we are also not currently actively developing it. Let me explain:

A few years ago the economy hit many of our paying customers very hard. Their budgets dried up, and as a consulting company, when our customer's budgets dry up, so does ours. 

When things started to get a little better, our customers came back, but their needs had changed. We had spent that time developing WebGUI 8. However, our customers shared with us that they were either quite happy with WebGUI 7, or they wanted something completely custom. You see, during that economic collapse, the web also changed. Web sites were no longer built as monolithic structures. They were more fluid. Companies built blogs on Tumblr, hosted videos on YouTube, and posted their pictures to Facebook. In short, our customers no longer wanted a big "do everything" site. Instead, they wanted us to build lean custom apps to fill in the gaps between the things they were using elsewhere.

Meanwhile we were also building the foundations of WebGUI 9, known as WING (WebGUI is Next Generation). However, because our customers weren't looking for a general purpose CMS any longer, we didn't build one on top of it. We just built their custom apps on top of it. 

So back to your question. We now have WebGUI 7 (the current latest production release), and we are building customizations for many clients on it. We have WebGUI 8, and there has been some renewed interest in that recently, so we may yet release it. And we have Wing, which we've been building custom apps on top of. Like any consulting business, we at Plain Black have done what all businesses do, we went where our customers have asked us to go. Unfortunately, that has not been down the path of continuing to develop the open source version of WebGUI 7. We still host hundreds of WebGUI 7 sites. We still have hundreds of WebGUI 7 support customers. And we still do quite a bit of WebGUI 7 consulting work, but the vast majority all either want to stay where they are, or they want something custom.

So WebGUI is very much alive and kicking, but the development of the open source version of WebGUI has stagnated. We have some paying customers interested in WebGUI 8, and if they decide to proceed, then we will once again start work on the open source version of WebGUI, but it will be down the path of WebGUI 8 rather than WebGUI 7. 

--- (Edited on January 29, 2014 9:03 pm [GMT-0600] by JT) ---



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jigou

 JT, thank you very much for the summary. It certainly helps me personally understand what's going on and gives me confidence in continuing to suggest WebGUI as a solution to requests I receive.

I will say that, as someone still using WebGUI for a number of internally-hosted sites, I'd LOVE to see WebGUI8 come to fruition (assuming that one of the big components of it is an updated user / admin interface).

We've recently been revisiting the plans for our corporate internet presence, and MANY of the "wishlist" items are and have been supported in WebGUI for many years....but the user/admin interface isn't as "slick and cool" as a....."modern", I guess, for lack of a better term?....CMS tool.

Of course, we've also got a couple legacy dogs in the CMS cabinet that really point out how far WebGUI and the web in general have progressed over the years....

Jarrod

--- (Edited on 1/30/2014 10:14 am [GMT-0600] by jigou) ---



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JT

 WebGUI 8's got 2 main features:

a) The internal structure of all the objects has been changed over to Moose. This results in a large performance gain and makes it much easier to add customizations.

b) The entire admin interface has been completely overhauled. It's all ajax. It runs fast. And it's got more plugin points to add custom tools.

--- (Edited on January 30, 2014 10:24 am [GMT-0600] by JT) ---



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aulix

Do you plan to allow community to release maintenance releases for v7 on this website?

Were a community may be with a few of the past WebGUI developers going to fork or release critical bug fixes and/or updates at least slowly may be once a year without adding any new features?

--- (Edited on 13-February-2014 09:20:26 [GMT+0600] by aulix) ---



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JT
Absolutely. If the community wants to take over we are all for it. We’ll do whatever we can to support you.


On Feb 12, 2014, at 9:20 PM, <info@aulix.com> <info@aulix.com> wrote:

aulix wrote:

Do you plan to allow community to release maintenance releases for v7 on this website?

Were a community may be with a few of the past WebGUI developers going to fork or release critical bug fixes and/or updates at least slowly may be once a year without adding any new features?

--- (Edited on 13-February-2014 09:20:26 [GMT+0600] by aulix) ---



http://www.webgui.org/etcetera/is-webgui-dead-/6

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--- (Edited on 2/12/2014 9:40 pm [GMT-0600] by Visitor) ---



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aulix

I am afraid of main WebGUI developers being "bought out" by a company with deep pockets who could make all new WebGUI releases a cloud ONLY hosting.

Would not it be a good idea to replace the license from GPL2 to AGPL to avoid such things?

I think it would be fine if some addons appear even complete closed source (closed source is compatible with GPL via RPC using TCP/IP stack)
but the main core and reach existing functionality would stay open source as it is now.

The Most Affordable WebGUI Hosting

--- (Edited on 8-March-2014 19:28:29 [GMT+0600] by aulix) ---



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scottwalters

If there's enough interest, I'd like to get 8 out of alpha.

JT's right that PlainBlack isn't being paid to build sites on wG8, and I respect his decision to focus on other things.  However, wG is one of the most impressive and mature things ever created in Perl, and the community often raves to me about how much better they like it than competing systems.  My experience tends to back those sentiments up.  I also really enjoyed working on something that people actually use, like, and ask me about.  Too much of what I'm paid to build winds up being ethereal.  I also think wG is really good for the larger Perl community, or it would be if the install process were completely streamlined.  Since the code is GPL, the community can step up and help out, and I'd like to spearhead that.

So, I launched a Kickstarter at YAPC (the Perl conference) this year:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2083389021/create-perl-competition-to-the-php-content-managem

I'm proposing working on it for 6 months.  I want to finish the installer I have mostly working, work with danny_mk to redo the admin, update the themes, try to build a community development process to make things more self supporting, create visibility for wG in the Perl community, modularize things a bit so they can be pushed to CPAN, and use haarg's ideas for building a wG7 asset partial compat layer.  I'd also like to move some of the work in to core I did to greatly improve performance.

8 isn't a direct upgrade for anyone with custom code.  Even in the best case, some manual work would have to be done to update assets.  But if there is a future of wG, it is 8.  An enormous amount of work went in to it, and I think with a bit of polish, it could compete with currently better known systems.

I'd especially like to talk to people who own companies who currently or previously made a living developing on or hosting wG.  The response has been really good so far, and the Perl community can carry a lot of the weight, but to do this, we need some of the big names in WebGUI to get involved.

(I'm not currently a PlainBlack employee and do not claim to speak for them; they were not consulted on this; PlainBlack owns the "WebGUI" trademark.)

--- (Edited on 6/30/2014 4:23 pm [GMT-0500] by scottwalters) ---

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